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Osama Bin Laden and September 11
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VTR
2008-05-29 14:50:29 UTC
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Osama Bin Laden and September 11
Wednesday, 28 May 2008 02:34 Pakistan Daily


Not many people know that, after September 11, 2001, Osama bin Laden issued a statement on tape
that he had nothing to do with the attacks on America and that such actions were against the
teachings of Islam. Americans were prevented from accessing this information because we were
told that Osama could possibly have an embedded "secret code" in the tape that would alert
other terrorists cells to "activate" and target other American cities.

Here is the transcript of what you were not allowed to hear from Osama bin Laden's own mouth

" I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge
of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The
United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the
people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and
Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The
American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the
United States."

Later, another video tape miraculously appeared to validate his guilt in the attacks. The video
tape, showing a man who was allegedly Osama bin Laden discussing and bragging about his role in
the 9-11 attacks, was shown on American television along with Arabic-English translations of
the conversations. Did you know that this tape has since been recognized as a fake? Not many
news media reported this. The "Osama" in the tape is actually a known Egyptian militant who is
not as tall and much too heavy to be Osama. I'll just bet you didn't know that tape was a fake!
It wasn't reported on CNN.

Now we have had another audio tape allegedly from Osama. We were told that it is "proof" that
he committed the 9-11 attacks. The "Osama" voice is apparently saying that the so-called 10th
hijacker who was charged in American courts is actually innocent, but the real purpose of the
tape is to acknowledge Osama's admission of ordering the 9-11 attacks. Well, hold on because
now it appears that this tape is also fake. It's yet another Bush disinformation camapign to
make people angry at Islamics and Arabs and to continue the blame game and justify the wars in
Afghanistan and Iraq as a prelude to yet another miserable war in Iran.

The latest audio tape attributed to Osama bin Laden appears to be one more installment in a
succession of evidence fabricated by the US government to deceive the American people,
according to Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

"This tape is only the latest in a series of fabrications intended to mislead the American
people," said James H. Fetzer, the society's founder. "The closer we get to revealing the truth
about 9/11, the more furiously the government fights to conceal it!" He said members of
Scholars and other experts had detected evidence of fakery.

In this new recording, a voice attributed to Osama bin Laden asserts that Zacarias Moussaoui
was not involved in 9/11, which he knew to be the case because he had personally assigned the
19 hijackers involved in those events. The Osama of this tape thereby implicitly confesses his
responsibility for orchestrating the attacks. However, in a tape released on December 27, 2001,
the authenticity of which is not in doubt, Osama denied having had anything to do with 9/11.
"Moreover," Fetzer added, "some of the 19 hijackers he 'personally assigned' have turned up
alive and well."

To be sure, this new tape is not the first one in which bin Laden appears to take
responsibility for the attacks. As David Ray Griffin, a prominent member of Scholars, points
out, "The Osama on the video tape that appeared on December 13, 2001, confessed to planning the
9/11 attacks. But he is far darker and much heavier than the real Osama bin Laden. People can
see the difference by looking up 'The Fake bin Laden Video Tape' on Google."

Griffin's point is supported by a work-in-progress by members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, which
appears on its web site under the heading, "9/11: Have we been lied to?" It offers evidence of
fakery in some of the videos based upon various physical properties of the figures that are
presumed to be Osama, pointing out that there are differences in the ears, cheeks, eyebrows,
length of the nose and shape of the nostrils. "The use of computer analysis can 'fine tune'
these questions of facial characteristics," Fetzer said, "but the gross differences already
show they are not the same."

Inconsistencies

"Another problem with the video of December 13, 2001," Griffin pointed out, "was that its
stocky bin Laden praised two of the alleged hijackers, Wail M. Al-Shehri and Salem al-Hazmi, by
name, and yet both the London Telegraph and the Saudi embassy reported several days after 9/11
that al-Hazmi was still alive and working in Saudi Arabia. Given the fact that the earlier
video in which Osama confessed was clearly a fake, we should be suspicious of this latest
apparent confession."

A professor at Duke, Bruce Lawrence, who has published Messages to the World: The Statements of
Osama bin Laden, expressed profound skepticism about a tape that was released January 17, 2006,
in a report that appeared two days later. "There's nothing in this from the Koran," Lawrence
said. "He's, by his own standards, a faithful Muslim who quotes scripture in defense of his
actions. There's no quotation from the Koran in the excerpts we got, no reference to specific
events, no reference to past atrocities." Lawrence also observed the tape ran only 10 minutes,
whereas the shortest previous tape, at 18 minutes, was nearly twice as long.

Fetzer noted that many of the same anomalous properties are found in the latest tape. "Compared
to Osama's past performances," he observed, "this message is too short, too direct, and full of
falsehoods. It was even described on CBS News by Bob Schieffer as 'almost American'." A
translation of the text of the tape has also been released by IntelCenter, a private company
that does contract work for the US government. "I suppose I would be accused of being a
'conspiracy theorist' to suggest there is any connection," Fetzer added.

Authentic Voice/Fake Content

Informed that Reuters news agency has reported confirmation that the voice on the tape is
indeed that of Osama bin Laden, Fetzer replied, "The fact that the voice is his does not prove
that the tape is authentic. We have had phony tapes before using voices that were authentic.
Mark Bingham, a passenger on Flight 93, is supposed to have called his mother and said, 'Hi,
Mom, this is Mark Bingham!' His mother confirmed it was his voice, but does anyone seriously
believe that Mark Bingham would have used his last name in identifying himself to his mother?"

Griffin agreed, adding, "Back in 1999, William Arkin published an article entitled, 'When
Seeing and Hearing isn't Believing' (which can also be accessed on Google). Describing the new
technology of 'voice morphing' (or 'voice synthesizing'), Arkin explained that, if audio
technicians have a recording of your voice, then they can create a tape in which your
voice‹your authentic voice!‹says anything they wish."

In a press release on April 22, 2006, the Scholars observed that a tape played at the trail of
Zacarias Moussaoui included discussion among the passengers about using a drink cart to break
down the cabin door alleged to have been picked up on a cockpit voice recorder, which does not
record conversations in the passenger cabin. "This is not the first and certainly will not be
the last time that the American government plays the American people for suckers," Fetzer said.

"We have just acquired new evidence that the Pentagon video tapes were processed and
manipulated in an apparent effort to distort or conceal what happened there on 9/11," Fetzer
observed. "Apparently, whenever the government feels the need to bolster the official myth
about 9/11, it simply fabricates a new tape! Anybody who wants to keep score should visit our
web site."

Scholars for 9/11 Truth is a non-partisan society of experts and scholars dedicated to exposing
falsehoods and establishing truths about the events of 9/11. It maintains a web site at
st911.org, where it archives its studies, documents, records and evidence.



Top Bin Laden Expert: The Tapes are Fakes


As a PhD in Islamic and Arabic Studies, I hate to say this, but I’ll say it anyway. The events
of 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam. The war on terror itself is as phony as the latest “Bin
Laden tape.” (Guardian 04)

It’s tough to admit because I know on which side my bread is buttered - and dropping Islam from
the 9/11 equation is like dropping my bread butter-side-down. The myth that 9/11 had something
to do with has poured millions into Arabic and Islamic studies. I finished my PhD in 2005, so
all I have to do is keep my eyes in my pocket and my nose to the ground, parrot the party line,
and I’ll be on the fast track to tenure.

The trouble is, it’s all based on a big lie. Take the recent “Bin Laden tape,” - please! That
voice was no more Bin Laden than it was my late Aunt Corinne from Peoria. I recently helped
translate a previously unknown Bin Laden tape, a real one from the early 90’s, back when he was
still alive. I know the guy’s flowery religious rhetoric. The recent tape certainly wasn't him.

The top American Bin Laden expert agrees. Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University’s
Religious Studies Department, has just finished a book of translations of Bin Laden’s speeches.
He says the recent tape is a fake and that Bin Laden has been dead for years. (ABC 2004).

Ersatz Bin Laden tapes “verified” by the CIA are nothing new. Every Bin Laden statement since
2001 has been blatantly bogus. The last we heard from the real Bin Laden were the following
words recorded by Pakistani journalists: “I stress that I have not carried out this act, which
appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation . . . I have already
said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks on the United States . . . I had no
knowledge of these attacks. . .” (Wiki 2004)

Then, on December 13, 2001, as George Bush was whining about the “outrageous conspiracy
theories” that were spreading like wildfire, the first and shoddiest of the “Bin Laden Speaks
from the Grave” tapes appeared. The video’s sound and picture quality were horrible. It showed
a big guy with a black beard, doing a passable imitation of Bin ’s voice, claiming
foreknowledge, if not responsibility for the 9/11 attacks and chortling over their success. The
trouble was, the big guy was clearly not Bin Laden. He was at least 40 or 50 pounds heavier and
his facial features were obviously different. (911Res 2005)

The “Fatty Bin Laden tape” was widely ridiculed and I have yet to meet an informed observer who
considers it authentic. (If you haven’t figured this out yet, go back and look at the images
from the tape and compare them to other images of Bin Laden.) But the media let the fraud pass
without asking the hard questions. Why was the US government waving this blatantly fake
“confession” video in our faces?

Perhaps due to the widespread hilarity evoked by Fatty Bin Laden, the next
Ousama-from-beyond-the-grave message had no images: It was an audio tape delivered to
al-Jazeera in the fall of 2002. The CIA verified it as “authentic,” but ended up with egg on
its face when the world’s leading voice identification experts at IDIAP in Switzerland reported
that “the message was recorded by an impostor.” (Guardian 2002)

Every Bin Laden message since then has been equally phony. They are released at moments when
the Bush regime needs a boost - and the American (mainstream) media go along with the fraud.
Remember the bogus Bin Laden tape that made headlines right before the 2004 elections? If you
didn’t figure out that it was a CIA-produced commercial for George Bush, I have some great
bridges to sell you. Walter Cronkite, bless his heart, opined that Karl Rove was behind that
tape. (CNN ) But the rest of the media just kept pretending that the Emperor was clothed.

And the fraud continues. Last week’s [need a date if you don’t want this article to age
prematurely] Bin Laden tape has been ridiculed by America’s top Bin Laden expert, yet the US
media gamely held its tattered fig leaf over the Emperor’s loins. Professor Lawrence believes
that the tape was designed to distract world opinion from the horrific massacre of Pakistani
civilians by an errant CIA drone. But it may have another, more sinister purpose: To prepare
public opinion for another false-flag 9/11-style attack designed to trigger a US-Israel nuclear
attack on Iran. (AC 2005)

As our top Bin Laden expert Professor Lawrence says, the real Bin Laden, who insisted that he
had nothing to do with 9/11, has been dead since 2001. The fake messages have been fabricated
by al-CIA-duh to support the Bush regime and its phony “war on terror.” It is time for
Americans to rise up against the masters of synthetic terror who have been looting the US
taxpayer, torching the Constitution, demolishing the economy, and threatening a nuclear Armageddon.
Freedom Fighter
2008-05-29 18:27:12 UTC
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Thanks for posting this.

I suspected pretty early on that Bin Laden was not really behind the
attacks, but was set up as a scapegoat. This was confirmed when the fascists
that were really behind the attacks allowed his relatives in the USA to flee
by plane, when all other aircraft had been grounded after 9/11.

Faked propaganda tapes and videos featuring a Bin Laden inposter are typical
of what the controlled corpserate media feeds us 24 hours a day. It is an
embarassment to America that so many of us fail to see through these lies
and deceptions.

I can only hope that President Obama will set America back on course, expose
the traitors, and bring these mass-murdering fascists to justice. Beyond
that, only a second American revolution could save us.
O***@real.com
2008-05-30 18:03:50 UTC
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 18:27:12 GMT, "Freedom Fighter"
Post by Freedom Fighter
Thanks for posting this.
I suspected pretty early on that Bin Laden was not really behind the
attacks, but was set up as a scapegoat. This was confirmed when the fascists
that were really behind the attacks allowed his relatives in the USA to flee
by plane, when all other aircraft had been grounded after 9/11.
Faked propaganda tapes and videos featuring a Bin Laden inposter are typical
of what the controlled corpserate media feeds us 24 hours a day. It is an
embarassment to America that so many of us fail to see through these lies
and deceptions.
I can only hope that President Obama will set America back on course, expose
the traitors, and bring these mass-murdering fascists to justice. Beyond
that, only a second American revolution could save us.
I do remember the admonishment that there might
be information or phrases embeded in the tape that
might activate terrorist sleeper cells, that was the
excuse they gave for not allowing access to it.

It doesn't seem strange to most people that
the real hard evidence that would prove the
case, and which the gov't should have been
eager to release to the public, never materialized.
If it's crucial to the official story, then we're told
it's secret and cannot ever be seen by anyone,
but we're assured they have it! Much like the
evidence they claimed needed to be kept secret
about Saddams WMD's that they had but couldn't
release... We find out only later that no such
evidence ever existed in fact. Oh well.
"Fool me once..." the story goes.
Al Dykes
2008-05-30 19:38:41 UTC
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Post by O***@real.com
On Thu, 29 May 2008 18:27:12 GMT, "Freedom Fighter"
Post by Freedom Fighter
Thanks for posting this.
I suspected pretty early on that Bin Laden was not really behind the
attacks, but was set up as a scapegoat. This was confirmed when the fascists
that were really behind the attacks allowed his relatives in the USA to flee
by plane, when all other aircraft had been grounded after 9/11.
Faked propaganda tapes and videos featuring a Bin Laden inposter are typical
of what the controlled corpserate media feeds us 24 hours a day. It is an
embarassment to America that so many of us fail to see through these lies
and deceptions.
I can only hope that President Obama will set America back on course, expose
the traitors, and bring these mass-murdering fascists to justice. Beyond
that, only a second American revolution could save us.
I do remember the admonishment that there might
be information or phrases embeded in the tape that
might activate terrorist sleeper cells, that was the
excuse they gave for not allowing access to it.
It doesn't seem strange to most people that
the real hard evidence that would prove the
case, and which the gov't should have been
eager to release to the public, never materialized.
There is a massive amount of evidence for the basic story of 9/11. You
just have to not ignore it. These books will give you a start.

Even though much of this is online, I like the books for the first
read. I can mark them up and find things. I use the online version to
cut and paste citations.

Read these and then get back to us.

Book: The Terror Timeline by Thompson.

An index into *every* report in the media having anything
to do with terrorism and 9-11. The first entries start in
the Nixon era. Thompson has the same data on a website and
that's searchable but I like the paperback book becuase I
can mark it up and make notes.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

Book: Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan,
and Bin Laden By Steve Coll (2nd ed)

This covers Afghanistan and OBL from the Reagen era to 9-10-2001.

Book: The Report of the 9-11 Commission.

Required reading. Also available freem online as a PDF
which makes searching easy. Download it and use Acrobat
directly. The PDF is *so* large that it hand my browser
sometimes.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

Book: _Messages to the world; The statements of Osama bin Laden_,
trans by Bruse lawrence

Video: The Power of Nightmares (BBC) In 3 parts. This is part 1.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=881321004838285177

In 3 hours, this is the short version of a pile of books
on the history of political Islam and our NeoCons.

Book: Saudi Arabia Exposed: Inside a Kingdom in Crisis by John R. Bradley

PDF: _Congressional Report for Congress; Al Qaede: Statements and Evolvong
Ideology_

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/RL32759.pdf

This is document gets updates whenever ObL says anything new. The
current date is Jan 24, 2007. Google got updates.
--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail
Don Ocean
2008-05-30 21:32:31 UTC
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America needs to convene a war crimes trial on the Bush-Chenney mob.
Else the rest of the world will believe that we the great American
people condone such atrocities against humanity. A return to an ethical
and honorable system of Government by the people and for the people.
In order to do that ..We have to severely punish the criminals within
Government. Bush needs to be stripped of his rank and sent to a deep
southern prison. Such as Huntsville Texas or Louisiana. We cannot allow
these crime to go unpunished. The evidence is primie faci. There mus be
created a deep embarrassment to be even thought to be associated with
these people.
Post by O***@real.com
On Thu, 29 May 2008 18:27:12 GMT, "Freedom Fighter"
Post by Freedom Fighter
Thanks for posting this.
I suspected pretty early on that Bin Laden was not really behind the
attacks, but was set up as a scapegoat. This was confirmed when the fascists
that were really behind the attacks allowed his relatives in the USA to flee
by plane, when all other aircraft had been grounded after 9/11.
Faked propaganda tapes and videos featuring a Bin Laden inposter are typical
of what the controlled corpserate media feeds us 24 hours a day. It is an
embarassment to America that so many of us fail to see through these lies
and deceptions.
I can only hope that President Obama will set America back on course, expose
the traitors, and bring these mass-murdering fascists to justice. Beyond
that, only a second American revolution could save us.
I do remember the admonishment that there might
be information or phrases embeded in the tape that
might activate terrorist sleeper cells, that was the
excuse they gave for not allowing access to it.
It doesn't seem strange to most people that
the real hard evidence that would prove the
case, and which the gov't should have been
eager to release to the public, never materialized.
If it's crucial to the official story, then we're told
it's secret and cannot ever be seen by anyone,
but we're assured they have it! Much like the
evidence they claimed needed to be kept secret
about Saddams WMD's that they had but couldn't
release... We find out only later that no such
evidence ever existed in fact. Oh well.
"Fool me once..." the story goes.
al92653
2008-06-22 20:56:29 UTC
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Post by VTR
Osama Bin Laden and September 11
Wednesday, 28 May 2008 02:34 Pakistan Daily
Not many people know that, after September 11, 2001, Osama bin Laden
issued a statement on tape that he had nothing to do with the attacks on
America and that such actions were against the teachings of Islam.
Americans were prevented from accessing this information because we were
told that Osama could possibly have an embedded "secret code" in the tape
that would alert other terrorists cells to "activate" and target other
American cities.
Here is the transcript of what you were not allowed to hear from Osama bin
Laden's own mouth
" I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor
did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a
government within the United States. The United States should try to trace
the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to
make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and
Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out
the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews,
whose first priority is Israel, not the United States."
Later, another video tape miraculously appeared to validate his guilt in
the attacks. The video tape, showing a man who was allegedly Osama bin
Laden discussing and bragging about his role in the 9-11 attacks, was
shown on American television along with Arabic-English translations of the
conversations. Did you know that this tape has since been recognized as a
fake? Not many news media reported this. The "Osama" in the tape is
actually a known Egyptian militant who is not as tall and much too heavy
to be Osama. I'll just bet you didn't know that tape was a fake! It wasn't
reported on CNN.
Now we have had another audio tape allegedly from Osama. We were told that
it is "proof" that he committed the 9-11 attacks. The "Osama" voice is
apparently saying that the so-called 10th hijacker who was charged in
American courts is actually innocent, but the real purpose of the tape is
to acknowledge Osama's admission of ordering the 9-11 attacks. Well, hold
on because now it appears that this tape is also fake. It's yet another
Bush disinformation camapign to make people angry at Islamics and Arabs
and to continue the blame game and justify the wars in Afghanistan and
Iraq as a prelude to yet another miserable war in Iran.
The latest audio tape attributed to Osama bin Laden appears to be one more
installment in a succession of evidence fabricated by the US government to
deceive the American people, according to Scholars for 9/11 Truth.
"This tape is only the latest in a series of fabrications intended